omg ! bumpy midfields !

o_rannibunny · 05-26-2006, 11:50 AM

On the screenshots where you can see the midfields in maps I often see a lot of (more realistic) slopes... won't they negatively effect bunnyhopping ?
(I know that bunnyhopping also benefits from slopes, but it would still be harder)
Okay, most attackers will simply conc over them anyway, but what about Spies and Soldiers and demomen ?

You'd also have to make the "chaos symmetrically" or one team will have an easier path...

o_ivaqual · 05-26-2006, 12:01 PM

Grenades and pipes will be a bit more tricky to play with too. I guess it's the price to pay.

o_tercel · 05-26-2006, 12:14 PM

i've made a similiar comment in the past and i totally agree with you rannibunny. the only thing i can say is, depending on the map it might help balance the offense. if an offensive soldier can get to the enemy base at almost the same time a medic can, theres a problem.

the yard in waterwar utilizes this concept...along with a seperate spawn for defense

o_fresh · 05-26-2006, 12:52 PM

It wont slow you down that much... As far as im concerned if pipes and grenades are harder to use in the mid map that's a bonus. Bhoping on uneven ground is a skill that many can do, and many need to acquire.

o_kam · 05-26-2006, 01:58 PM

won't be a problem with the way the jump timing will work tbh

o_uncle-argon · 05-26-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kam

won't be a problem with the way the jump timing will work tbh

Yeah, as I understand it, the new bunny hopping system should make the whole jump timing process a lot more simple and thereby negate the problems of having an uneven surface. I suppose it remains to be seen whether you'll be able to do interesting things with concs using parts of the surface.

Lost · 05-26-2006, 02:16 PM

If bunnyhopping is going to become everyone's primary form of movement, why didn't the devs just increase the movement speed of all the classes to match it?

As for the bhopping soldier outrunning the concers, I believe they fixed that by making the max speed slower than that of concing medics or scouts.

o_ekim · 05-26-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost

If bunnyhopping is going to become everyone's primary form of movement, why didn't the devs just increase the movement speed of all the classes to match it?

Because bunnyhopping adds a lot of depth to movement which ultimately makes the game more enjoyable. Simply increasing movement speeds is not the same thing.

o_elvis2049 · 05-26-2006, 03:46 PM

aircontroll ftw imo

and i hope we dont have problems with the bumpy mapps indeed

o_madjester · 05-26-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tercel

the yard in waterwar utilizes this concept...along with a seperate spawn for defense

I've actually completely redone the yard in waterwar for ff.
Still same idea, o spawns in the yard, but much differently.

o_tercel · 05-26-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost

As for the bhopping soldier outrunning the concers, I believe they fixed that by making the max speed slower than that of concing medics or scouts.

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Originally Posted by Tercel

if an offensive soldier can get to the enemy base at almost the same time a medic can, theres a problem.

key word being almost

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Originally Posted by MadJester

I've actually completely redone the yard in waterwar for ff.
Still same idea, o spawns in the yard, but much differently.

im excited to see the new improvement

PHISH · 05-26-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle-Argon

Yeah, as I understand it, the new bunny hopping system should make the whole jump timing process a lot more simple and thereby negate the problems of having an uneven surface. I suppose it remains to be seen whether you'll be able to do interesting things with concs using parts of the surface.

You can try this out to some extent by binding a key to no clip and upping air accell in vanilla hl2, you can launch off of slopes and bumps just as you can in tfc (actually its easier in hl2, because you don't get caught on a lip). I doubt they'd change that aspect of the movement code too much.

Circuitous · 05-26-2006, 08:12 PM

The big worry with bumpiness is accidental trimping, I'd imagine. Bounce bounce, bounce, big forward bounce as you hit a downward slope, giant upward bounce as you hit an upward slope, sniper tags you while you're helpless in the air...

But that's only if the terrain is really, really bumpy, which most aren't. There's SOME height variation that I can see, but it's relatively smooth and even.

o_nezumi · 05-26-2006, 11:31 PM

And the Defrag said that the problem where pipes and grenades don't stop sliding on slopes is entirely absent from source, so it shouldn't be too hard to use them on the bumpy displacements either.

o_mullet man · 05-27-2006, 01:45 AM

This all sounds so familiar in an odd way...........................

o_geokill-----> · 05-27-2006, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by [ETF]Mulletman

This all sounds so familiar in an odd way...........................

Yeah b/c it's been mention before

Defrag · 05-27-2006, 05:02 PM

It's not a problem in the slightest for any aspect of gameplay (so far).

Circuitous · 05-27-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Defrag

It's not a problem in the slightest for any aspect of gameplay (so far).

(in any of your expertly crafted maps)

o_ekim · 05-28-2006, 12:45 AM

Well, the question was about their maps..

Circuitous · 05-28-2006, 01:14 AM

True, but it seems that if anyone's going to make a map with an absurdly bumpy midfield, it might be someone who isn't what could be considered a veteran, especially to Source mapping. Someone who sees the displacement tool and wonders, "How bumpy can I make this?"

SOMEONE LIKE ME. Haha. Good thing I gave up on mapping.

But yeah, I mean, why would the dev team of the game make maps with midfields that are detrimental to a key point in the play style?

05-26-2006, 11:50 AM	#1
o_rannibunny Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	omg ! bumpy midfields ! On the screenshots where you can see the midfields in maps I often see a lot of (more realistic) slopes... won't they negatively effect bunnyhopping ? (I know that bunnyhopping also benefits from slopes, but it would still be harder) Okay, most attackers will simply conc over them anyway, but what about Spies and Soldiers and demomen ? You'd also have to make the "chaos symmetrically" or one team will have an easier path...

05-26-2006, 02:16 PM	#7
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	If bunnyhopping is going to become everyone's primary form of movement, why didn't the devs just increase the movement speed of all the classes to match it? As for the bhopping soldier outrunning the concers, I believe they fixed that by making the max speed slower than that of concing medics or scouts. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

05-26-2006, 08:12 PM	#13
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	The big worry with bumpiness is accidental trimping, I'd imagine. Bounce bounce, bounce, big forward bounce as you hit a downward slope, giant upward bounce as you hit an upward slope, sniper tags you while you're helpless in the air... But that's only if the terrain is really, really bumpy, which most aren't. There's SOME height variation that I can see, but it's relatively smooth and even. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

05-27-2006, 05:02 PM	#17
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's not a problem in the slightest for any aspect of gameplay (so far). __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

05-28-2006, 01:14 AM	#20
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	True, but it seems that if anyone's going to make a map with an absurdly bumpy midfield, it might be someone who isn't what could be considered a veteran, especially to Source mapping. Someone who sees the displacement tool and wonders, "How bumpy can I make this?" SOMEONE LIKE ME. Haha. Good thing I gave up on mapping. But yeah, I mean, why would the dev team of the game make maps with midfields that are detrimental to a key point in the play style? __________________ Look at all those dead links.

05-26-2006, 12:01 PM	#2
o_ivaqual Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe, Front Yard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Grenades and pipes will be a bit more tricky to play with too. I guess it's the price to pay.

05-26-2006, 12:14 PM	#3
o_tercel Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i've made a similiar comment in the past and i totally agree with you rannibunny. the only thing i can say is, depending on the map it might help balance the offense. if an offensive soldier can get to the enemy base at almost the same time a medic can, theres a problem. the yard in waterwar utilizes this concept...along with a seperate spawn for defense

05-26-2006, 12:52 PM	#4
o_fresh Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brum. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It wont slow you down that much... As far as im concerned if pipes and grenades are harder to use in the mid map that's a bonus. Bhoping on uneven ground is a skill that many can do, and many need to acquire.

05-26-2006, 01:58 PM	#5
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	won't be a problem with the way the jump timing will work tbh

05-26-2006, 03:46 PM	#9
o_elvis2049 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	aircontroll ftw imo and i hope we dont have problems with the bumpy mapps indeed

05-26-2006, 11:31 PM	#14
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	And the Defrag said that the problem where pipes and grenades don't stop sliding on slopes is entirely absent from source, so it shouldn't be too hard to use them on the bumpy displacements either.

05-27-2006, 01:45 AM	#15
o_mullet man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio, USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	This all sounds so familiar in an odd way...........................

05-28-2006, 12:45 AM	#19
o_ekim Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Well, the question was about their maps..

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