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Old 10-02-2007, 03:50 PM   #21
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I use both spacebar, mwheelup, and mwheeldown... :/
Love how easy it is to doublejump off shit this way
double jumping would be easier with mwheelup/down being jump.
rotate it one way then the other to double jump.
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Why can't you use mwheeldown? I just mwheeldown and i seem to be able to bhop alright, is it impossible to use mwheeldown or just difficult..i seem to be hitting the cap a fair amount, but i guess you can never know. Thanks in advance for feedback.
you can but it is designed for space with the method i described 2 posts before yours.
mwheel may be the reason you are always hitting the cap? not sure.
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you simply jump then press and hold jump mid-air until you jump again then press and hold again. it times it for you.

so... again... press: jump then jump and hold until you jump again then press and hold jump again. repeat.

the hardest part of bhop is timing the jump. this system they have implemented into FF eliminates that problem once you get used to it. if you are holding your jump key when you land from another jump you will immediately jump once you land.
i know it's easier to just go in and use mwheeldown but it's not designed for that.
practice the new method a bit and it will be like riding a bicycle.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:00 AM   #22
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There's no need for mousewheel. Because FF has the quake style jumping, you can hold space while in air and it will jump on ground even if you release space.
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Old 12-08-2007, 02:17 PM   #23
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Thats so stupid.. Bhopping using mwheeldown was what tfc is all about.
I and allot of others always play with the arrows.. Now ur forcing people to change how theyve played for years to how u like to play.. Simply fascisme.
Use mwheeldown, then u got ur other hand free for general movement, what is more effective..

Uve prolly changed it for noob defence players that couldnt bhop properly..

And if u answer me that if i want to play tfc, i should fock off and play tfc I answer u, if u dont want to make a tfc game... FOKING DONT COPY EVERTHING FROM IT be more creative then and make ur own game
The fact that people are still playing TFC says allot about FF ..
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:55 PM   #24
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:03 PM   #25
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:08 PM   #26
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Ummm I don't understand a bit of what you guys are saying but I usually just do wide side to side jumps while moving my mouse toward the direction of my jump. No speed, but I'm a pain in the ass to hit.
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:10 PM   #27
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:10 PM   #28
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Thats so stupid.. Bhopping using mwheeldown was what tfc is all about.
I and allot of others always play with the arrows.. Now ur forcing people to change how theyve played for years to how u like to play.. Simply fascisme.
Use mwheeldown, then u got ur other hand free for general movement, what is more effective..

Uve prolly changed it for noob defence players that couldnt bhop properly..

And if u answer me that if i want to play tfc, i should fock off and play tfc I answer u, if u dont want to make a tfc game... FOKING DONT COPY EVERTHING FROM IT be more creative then and make ur own game
The fact that people are still playing TFC says allot about FF ..
KPS_INS is a great substitute for the spacebar. It's how I used to play when using the arrow keys.
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:22 PM   #29
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Not really. Unless you don't bhop at all. Well, you wouldn't properly anyway like that. Just makes things harder for ones self.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:52 PM   #30
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Not really. Unless you don't bhop at all. Well, you wouldn't properly anyway like that. Just makes things harder for ones self.
It's no different than a WASD setup. Your thumb is used for KPS_INS. It's simply much more cramped.

Remember, the BHop mechanic in FF is vastly different than it was in TFC.
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Old 12-16-2007, 10:34 PM   #31
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Bhopoing its lot easier in FF. In TFC i was a crappy bhoper, in FF i am decent. OK, not that mutch of imrove, but after 1 day playing and feelin wierd, FF bhop turn to be great and easier. It just needs time to adjustmens.

GG ppl, and bhop a lot
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:10 PM   #32
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TFC isnt about mousewheel bunnyhopping.. The pro people used space. I know this because i used to play with teams like uZ. and am friends with one of their starters IRL. IMO if you're saying that FF is n00b friendly for now allowing people to use mousewheel as a bhop substitute, you're being a hypocrite.

However, i do agree that bhop speed should be increased, but then again this is FF and not TFC. Its closely matched to TFC because it was made for people who like the gameplay of TFC? Correct me if im wrong but isnt TF2 noob friendly?

I think FF is doing a great job so far with this game and i am very impressed. As seen in interviews with TF2 developers, they are impressed of FF as well. Must be doing something right.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:24 PM   #33
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TFC isnt about mousewheel bunnyhopping.. The pro people used space.
Yes it is.. that's the whole clever idea of binding jump to mouse-wheel up/down rotation or both so that when you flick the wheel down or up a few notches it spams the +jump command in order to bhop...
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:34 PM   #34
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where is a TFC website tutorial that could be modified for FF?
Since FF has Quake style bunny hop, maybe also peek at Cinclant's guide for Quake(World).

For Quake it's explained here, however be warned that bunny hopping in this guide refers to some other type of jumping which involves the forward key, while the bunny hop known from TFC (without forward key) is called "speed jumping" in this guide (QuakeWorld Jumping Part 3 - Speed Jumping). http://www.quakeworld.nu/upload/bunnyguide/

Guide for CS by Astrochimp: http://cszen.com/index.php?topic=1468.0
Flash animation: http://www.fidosrevenge.com/bhop/bhop.swf

Guides for TFC
Rainbow's guide: http://ukfortress.com/guides/bunnyhopping/
Dr_kazza's tips: http://forums.wireplay.co.uk/showthr...hreadid=239227
Tonster's guide: http://www.groovyfargo.co.uk/bytfc_a...nnyhopping.htm

Guide for AG mod by CHiNX: http://agmod.planethalflife.gamespy....m#Bunnyjumping
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Actually you can use the mwheel to bhop in FF just fine. The only difference between TFC and FF is that in FF it's much easier to bhop since you don't need to worry about timing your consecutive jumps, but that's about it.

At the end of the day it's a matter of preference.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:13 PM   #36
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I think when typing up a tutorial on anything for the mod we should generally stick to the practice of explaining it by using the default keys.

eg: anything referring to bhop should be done so by referring to the default jump key -> space bar. Anyone who is good enough to be changing their key structure can generally apply whatever is being said to their custom key config, but if you reference mwheelup / down for instance, then you run the risk of confusing the reader b/c for them that has nothing to do with jumping.

Maybe a 'Getting started tut' and an 'advanced' tutorial should be implemented. IN the adv. tut. we could go into more detail about changing your key config's to accommodate for simpler and more efficient usage.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:57 AM   #37
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the other option is to code another jump command, maybe something like "+sjump" which maintains the old style of jump. That way players can use that command and attatch it to mousewheel. I'm not sure if it makes a difference or not, but would solve a lot of arguments lol.
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Old 01-08-2008, 02:48 PM   #38
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well you can use +jump with the mouse wheel, I thin, it's just that you don't have to anymore so there is no use.
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:40 PM   #39
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I wouldn't know because I haven't played FF yet this is why I'm asking. As we all know in FF a jump que has been implemented, so how can binding jump to mousewheel possibly work? It wouldn't right? Of course you'd jump..but it wouldn't have any timing so it would just be a regular delayed jump?
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Yes Paft, binding the jump to mwheel is now pointless. However, some ppl are determined to use it for God-only-knows what reason.
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