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Old 03-31-2005, 12:05 PM   #1
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A new map: ff_harbor. It's kinda like hunted.

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Old 03-31-2005, 12:49 PM   #2
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Hrmm have a few questions about this map. Is the VIP distinguished from the rest. I ask this because he's allowed to be any class. I believe if you dont make it apparent, the map would get quickly annoying, as you are forced to try and kill everybody to get lucky and kill the VIP. If the VIP is distinguished from the rest I do also see a problem with him being a spy. If he is a spy, can he disguise himself. If so, is it still apparent that he's the VIP? If not, then the spy has a huge advantage. Also I'm wondering will there be gernade packs. Since this seems to be a total dming map, I'd think gernade packs would be a bad thing. Anyways, it's a very unique idea, i hope it's as fun as it is creative.
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:11 PM   #3
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I've always wanted to play a map like this! Sounds like alot of fun and I cant wait to play it! I hope you continue to make more maps like this one.
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Old 03-31-2005, 05:34 PM   #4
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Sounds like an interesting concept and I'm curious how it would play. It sounds kinda like a mix between hunted and murderball, which I bet would be a lot of fun.

I don't really think disabling HWGuys is needed in a map like this though, because I doubt they'd ruin the game or anything like that. In fact, I bet it'd be fun to be an HW in this kind of map.
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Old 03-31-2005, 10:16 PM   #5
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If your map got up to 4000 wpolies, that's not really an engine limitation -- it'll chug on whatever engine you care to make it for :/ Try to think of ways to seperate the open areas with solid visblocking.

The actual concept sounds very interesting
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:04 PM   #6
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As for the 4000 wpolys, I'm sure I'll be able to reduce this enormously. A hint brush across the top of the level would stop the game from rendering things on the other side of tall buildings you can't see. There are a ton of fixes that the source engine allows for too (like areaportals)

Also, a lot of the balance issues have yet to be worked out, like class limits. I wanted to disable HWs because getting mown down by one if you're an attacking VIP would discourage VIPs attacking, which I don't want to do. Maybe VIPs could be allowed to be HWs because they're not that hard to kill

As for your question, shaggy, the VIPs will normally be different colors than everyone else. Red and blue are VIPs, green and yellow are bodyguards. Yes, if a VIP is a spy he has a great advantage. He could disguise himself as anyone on any team. He could even hide as one of his bodyguards to look inconspicuous. Perhaps in that case one of his bodyguards could be a spy disguised as him, then lead eveyone else on a wild goose chase.
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:22 AM   #7
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Yes, if a VIP is a spy he has a great advantage. He could disguise himself as anyone on any team. He could even hide as one of his bodyguards to look inconspicuous. Perhaps in that case one of his bodyguards could be a spy disguised as him, then lead eveyone else on a wild goose chase.
Damn, I so want to play this map now! (not sarcasm)
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:08 AM   #8
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I love the idea and just mad i hadnt thought of it first.

Im skeptical of the huge points advantage cause that seems to maake that one kill so huge it baiscally is the match. Maybe double points for a pres on pres kill.

About the Pres being a spy, omg that could be so fun or it could be so annoying in a pub when team work and communication is rare.
I say let the pres be a civilian or give him a pistol only. Or maybe let him be one class like HW so he hard to kill.
So many variations could work, either way will be a map i will try for sure.
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Old 04-01-2005, 08:33 AM   #9
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Re: A new map: Beach2 (working title). It's kinda like hun

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The 10 and 100 points are arbitrary. I may tweak them for balance.
C'mon people, I know it's a long post but you can read the whole thing. I believe in you. Lolz. I do however appriciate the support, guys.
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Old 04-11-2005, 04:48 AM   #10
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Yep , why i gave you my feedback to help you tweak them, I read the whole post.
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Old 04-11-2005, 02:54 PM   #11
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I love the idea, I really hope you manage to pull this off. We'll do what we can to make sure that your concept can be realised through the FF entity system.
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Old 04-11-2005, 09:46 PM   #12
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Are you planning on putting healt/armor/bags on this map
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Old 04-12-2005, 10:01 AM   #13
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Id really love to play this sounds like fun how is the work progressing on it these days ?

keep it up and all that
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:10 PM   #14
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Look at the wall with the Red Tower in it... YES!!! OMG the walls of TFC. Let's go play xover2 and badlands now.
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:32 PM   #15
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Update: This map compiles like a train wreck! Porting geometry from .map to .vmf takes a lot of work. For one thing, you have to remake ALL of the entities (they show up as solid black. If anyone has a better fix for this than to simply remake them all, I'd appriciate the info). The vising is terrible, although I can fix this with some better sky box construction and hints and area portals. I'm finding some pretty tricky ways of making it seem like more of the map is visible than really is, like putting a simplified duplicate of things in the 3D skybox. (don't worry, none of that is anyplace a player can be. That is to say, you'll never look down on a place and not see someone who should be there because it's drawing the skybox version instead of the real version.)

The MAIN problem I'm having is the water. Ther is no 'func_water' in HL2DM, nor any substitute, as far as I can tell. I've had to make some complicated water geometry to fit around the boad (so that you can be below decks on the boat without being underwater), but with no func_water in hl2dm...
Perhaps the boat could be up on a drydock so it's completely out of the water.

Anyway, I'm holding off on making more of this untill perhaps I can see what FF entities I can use. It looks good though, and i'm expanding some areas so there's more playable game space, moving the lighthouse so it's not in such an awkward place, etc. Basically a lot of changes the source engine affords me.

As for backpacks, yes, if all goes as planned there will be packs. I'm hoping that I can make team specific packs that switch which team can use them depending on who's spawning where and that dissapear entirely if no one spawns at their location (think 'portable resupply').

P.S. A question for the Devs: Will entites have a 'SetTeam' input? Please say yes. Please.
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:34 AM   #16
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Yay, the map has an official name: ff_harbor.

I changed the title of the thread to reflect this.
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:39 PM   #17
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Hrmm have a few questions about this map. Is the VIP distinguished from the rest. I ask this because he's allowed to be any class. I believe if you dont make it apparent, the map would get quickly annoying, as you are forced to try and kill everybody to get lucky and kill the VIP. If the VIP is distinguished from the rest I do also see a problem with him being a spy. If he is a spy, can he disguise himself. If so, is it still apparent that he's the VIP? If not, then the spy has a huge advantage. Also I'm wondering will there be gernade packs. Since this seems to be a total dming map, I'd think gernade packs would be a bad thing. Anyways, it's a very unique idea, i hope it's as fun as it is creative.
*COUGH* TEAMCOLORS! *COUGH*

Except for spies. That'd be a PITA.
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:11 PM   #18
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A very intresting idea. and it sounds cool ill be sure to try it out.
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Old 08-30-2005, 09:07 AM   #19
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Yeah I like the sound of this...I was always a Hunted fan (who wasn't?)
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:38 AM   #20
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I'll get some screenshots of the source version up soon.
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