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Old 06-12-2008, 11:57 PM   #21
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Lol zE, wtf xD

Seriously, don't worry anymore. You tried to contact him, you couldn't, still gave credit on the readme files. Should be good enough!
That's about as fair as you can be.

Try to contact the mapper. Can't get a hold of him? Credit him in the remake anyway. Most mappers would agree that is good enough, I think.

I playtested this map. It's fun. I also fell a lot. /=
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Old 06-13-2008, 02:45 AM   #22
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Yea, that's what I did with Tiger.
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Old 06-13-2008, 08:46 AM   #23
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Strangest thread ever.

zE, BlisTer and others are trying to protect YOU. Some mappers get VERY angry with people porting their maps (even from HL1 -> Source). Source -> Source is taking it to a new level, though. For the sake of your own protection, you need to do all that you can to get in contact with the original mapper. Taking existing and complete geometry and using it unchanged in your map is much different than taking a HL1 layout and recreating it faithfully and independently for a new mod (decompile a HL1 .bsp and see for yourself).

If you have tried to get in contact with the original creator and cannot, then make that clear and move on. There is no reason to defend yourself in that instance, because you have done nothing wrong. But, right now you are attacking people that have asked you a reasonable question.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:37 PM   #24
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i dont think its so diferent tbh im also doing destroy_l with the exact same geometry of tfc one too. If u guys want to erase the post/the dow link its ok with me. It feels like u guys are acusing me of telling that i sayd it was my own map...
Cry me a river, there's a huge difference between remaking a map from scratch and just copying the current geometry of a map and slapping on new textures. You have to realise this. So you couldn't reach the original mapper? Fine, you should still have his name at the loading screen, not yours. If you really feel inclined then add 'ported by ze' in fine print. What you have done know shows lack of respect for the effort put in by the original mapper.

Nice port, awesome map by whoever made it, mind bending shapes in this one.
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:21 PM   #25
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As squeek said, dont take this personal with us, it's just a formality check to ensure you tried to contact the original mapper (check the SP link i gave you earlier in irc!) to protect yourself (just as i tried to contact UB). I'm not "out to get you" or anything, on the contrary. I think it's great you make FF maps so frequently, just dont forget about the formality checks!
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:06 PM   #26
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ok, u guys won, gonna remove all dowl links photos and etc,
just gonna have it in AS server. If he someday reply my message i ill post it again : ) But i think its kinda hipocrit anyway, several maps around are direct ports.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:20 PM   #27
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lets get one thing straight THEY JUST ASKED IF YOU GOT (OR ASKED) PREMESSION FROM THE ORIGINAL MAPPER. thats all they wanted to know, an not all of them are direct ports some are some just use concept ideas and general map look and feel while using different textures and dimensions
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I sayd yes several times.. and plz lets end this discussion also plz close this thread.
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Strangest thread ever.

zE, BlisTer and others are trying to protect YOU. Some mappers get VERY angry with people porting their maps (even from HL1 -> Source). Source -> Source is taking it to a new level, though. For the sake of your own protection, you need to do all that you can to get in contact with the original mapper. Taking existing and complete geometry and using it unchanged in your map is much different than taking a HL1 layout and recreating it faithfully and independently for a new mod (decompile a HL1 .bsp and see for yourself).

If you have tried to get in contact with the original creator and cannot, then make that clear and move on. There is no reason to defend yourself in that instance, because you have done nothing wrong. But, right now you are attacking people that have asked you a reasonable question.
And who the fuck cares if they get angry? As long as they don't have plans to remake their map, it's alright in my book to port or recreate that map. It's not like it's copyrighted material anyway. People are fucking stingy, and if they don't look at it as a compliment that someone would want to port over one of the maps they made to make that mapper even more popular, then that's their problem. I have no problem with providing credit info to tell people who made it, but that's it. It's not like he's going around parading that he actually designed the map...
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And who the fuck cares if they get angry? As long as they don't have plans to remake their map, it's alright in my book to port or recreate that map. It's not like it's copyrighted material anyway. People are fucking stingy, and if they don't look at it as a compliment that someone would want to port over one of the maps they made to make that mapper even more popular, then that's their problem. I have no problem with providing credit info to tell people who made it, but that's it. It's not like he's going around parading that he actually designed the map...
Something about integrity or respect or whatever you want to call it. Source mapping takes a lot of effort, and, judging by the complexity of the geometry in this map, I'd say it was no easy task for the original creator.

But, zE tried to get permission and couldn't. He did nothing wrong. That's where the misunderstanding part comes in.

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