Talk:Movement:Jumping - Revision history

Defrag: /* Another Idea */

2006-02-15T21:56:09Z

Another Idea

Defrag: /* Another Idea */

2006-02-15T21:54:10Z

Another Idea

Defrag: /* Yeah */

2006-02-15T21:52:54Z

Yeah

Mirvin Monkey at 00:00, 22 October 2005

2005-10-22T00:00:54Z

Defrag at 02:31, 21 October 2005

2005-10-21T02:31:09Z

Defrag at 02:25, 21 October 2005

2005-10-21T02:25:47Z

Defrag at 02:24, 21 October 2005

2005-10-21T02:24:06Z

Defrag at 02:21, 21 October 2005

2005-10-21T02:21:10Z

Defrag at 02:16, 21 October 2005

2005-10-21T02:16:43Z

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There's quite a few things that are being 'weird' here. When the 63 unit crouch jump clearance is set up correctly, the player's jump time (period spent in air) is way too short. It also messes up the regular jump height.

We need to make sure the standing jump height, crouch jump height, initial velocity '''and''' the period spent in the air are all consistent with TFC (or as close to TFC that people cannot tell).

Valve managed to make it so that CS1.6 -> CS:S was a very smooth and consistent trasition. All of the map dimensions remained the same, but the movement appeared to remain much the same. The only thing I ([[User:Defrag|Defrag]]) can ascertain as being different is that, in CS:S, if you crouch a split second before jumping (rather than when airborne) then you can actually jump a little higher. This isn't the case in FF, so we haven't inherited a bug or anything like that. Anyway, we need to work on this somehow.

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 The second case is when the player is airborne for a decent period and has plenty of time to time their jump.  Example, a regular jump.  The player has 0.7 seconds in which to time the next jump, so we should perhaps penalise the player if, during the 0.7 seconds spent in the air, he holds jump for over 0.4 seconds of that.
-Old jump commands should be '''ignored''' as they are worthless anyway.  I.e. if a player jumps and continues to hold jump, then don't count that +jump command towards the total time spent pre-jumping (as a new jump press must be started to actually work under the [[Movement:Jumping|Jump]] design (semi-pogo).
+===What contributes towards the jump timing?===
 Just some ideas.
 -- [[User:Defrag|Defrag]]

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 Have two cases.  Each rule is run depending on the circumstances.
-The first case is in effect when the jump timing is impossibly tight, so that if a player's time spent between jumps (i.e. airborne for 0.'''x''' seconds) is very small, no penalty is brought against the player.  Example: The 0.2 second case.  0.2 seconds is way too small a time to have any kind of accuracy, so if the player holds jump for 0.15 seconds of that 0.2 second period, we can't penalise for it.
+The first case is in effect when the jump timing is impossibly tight, so that if a player's time spent between jumps (i.e. airborne for 0.'''x''' seconds) is very small, no penalty is brought against the player regardless of how long they held jump.  Example: The 0.2 second case.  0.2 seconds is way too small a time to have any kind of accuracy, so if the player holds jump for 0.15 seconds of that 0.2 second period, we don't penalise for it.  People aren't robots.
 The second case is when the player is airborne for a decent period and has plenty of time to time their jump.  Example, a regular jump.  The player has 0.7 seconds in which to time the next jump, so we should perhaps penalise the player if, during the 0.7 seconds spent in the air, he holds jump for over 0.4 seconds of that.

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-=Yeah=
+All of the old problems regarding jump height and duration have been fixed thanks to Mirv.
-We need to make sure the standing jump height, crouch jump height, initial velocity '''and''' the period spent in the air are all consistent with TFC (or as close to TFC that people cannot tell).
+==New Areas of Discussion==
-Valve managed to make it so that CS1.6 -> CS:S was a very smooth and consistent transition.  All of the map dimensions remained the same, but the movement appeared to remain much the same.  The only thing I ([[User:Defrag|Defrag]]) can ascertain as being different is that, in CS:S, if you crouch a split second before jumping (rather than when airborne) then you can actually jump a little higher.  This isn't the case in FF, so we haven't inherited a bug or anything like that.  Anyway, we need to work on this somehow.
+'''We can release the mod WITHOUT''' this stuff being implemented, as Q3 semi-pogo is a decent compromise as it is'''.  This stuff is just extra and could potentially be cool.  It might suck.  We don't know.
-==Questions that must be answered:==
+===Ideas===
-* Is the player height to blame?
+* Reduce air control if player holds jump for too long
-* Is gravity in FF consistent with TFC? [[Movement:Velocity_Versus_Height|This kinda applies here]] as gravity is not a force that acts as one might think.
+* Reduce jump timing accuracy if player holds jump for too long
-==The End?==
+Problems with these ideas:
-Well I think this is fixed now, let me know if there's any more problems with it -mirv
+Firstly, how would we tell how long a player has been in the air?

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	* Do the collision hulls affect the situation, and if so, can we tweak them without other undesirable effects creeping in?		* Do the collision hulls affect the situation, and if so, can we tweak them without other undesirable effects creeping in?
	* Is it the differing proportions between FF & TFC?		* Is it the differing proportions between FF & TFC?
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		+	==The End?==
		+	Well I think this is fixed now, let me know if there's any more problems with it -mirv

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 There's quite a few things that are being 'weird' here.  When the 63 unit crouch jump clearance is set up correctly, the player's jump time (period spent in air) is way too short.  It also messes up the regular jump height.
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 Valve managed to make it so that CS1.6 -> CS:S was a very smooth and consistent transition.  All of the map dimensions remained the same, but the movement appeared to remain much the same.  The only thing I ([[User:Defrag|Defrag]]) can ascertain as being different is that, in CS:S, if you crouch a split second before jumping (rather than when airborne) then you can actually jump a little higher.  This isn't the case in FF, so we haven't inherited a bug or anything like that.  Anyway, we need to work on this somehow.
-Questions that must be answered:
+==Questions that must be answered:==
 * Is the player height to blame?
-* Is gravity in FF consistent with TFC? [[Movement:Velocity_Versus_Height|This applies here]] as gravity is not a force that acts as one might think.
+* Is gravity in FF consistent with TFC? [[Movement:Velocity_Versus_Height|This kinda applies here]] as gravity is not a force that acts as one might think.
-* Do the collision hulls fuck with things?
+* Do the collision hulls affect the situation, and if so, can we tweak them without other undesirable effects creeping in?
 * Is it the differing proportions between FF & TFC?

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	We need to make sure the standing jump height, crouch jump height, initial velocity '''and''' the period spent in the air are all consistent with TFC (or as close to TFC that people cannot tell).		We need to make sure the standing jump height, crouch jump height, initial velocity '''and''' the period spent in the air are all consistent with TFC (or as close to TFC that people cannot tell).

−	Valve managed to make it so that CS1.6 -> CS:S was a very smooth and consistent ~~trasition~~. All of the map dimensions remained the same, but the movement appeared to remain much the same. The only thing I ([[User:Defrag\|Defrag]]) can ascertain as being different is that, in CS:S, if you crouch a split second before jumping (rather than when airborne) then you can actually jump a little higher. This isn't the case in FF, so we haven't inherited a bug or anything like that. Anyway, we need to work on this somehow.	+	Valve managed to make it so that CS1.6 -> CS:S was a very smooth and consistent transition. All of the map dimensions remained the same, but the movement appeared to remain much the same. The only thing I ([[User:Defrag\|Defrag]]) can ascertain as being different is that, in CS:S, if you crouch a split second before jumping (rather than when airborne) then you can actually jump a little higher. This isn't the case in FF, so we haven't inherited a bug or anything like that. Anyway, we need to work on this somehow.